Automatisierung übersteuern

[ErreUno]

Hallo zusammen!
Ich steuere einige HmIP-BBL Jalousieaktoren über einen HmIP-SLO Lichtsensor (wenn Lux > 6000 dann Jalousien herunterfahren).
Jetzt möchte ich diesen Befehl bei Bedarf übersteuern - mit einer HmIP-RC8 Fernbedienung oder der App. Das funktioniert natürlich nicht, da die Automatisierung danach sofort wieder greift.
Wie bekomme ich es hin, dass ich eine Automatisierung mit der FB übersteuere? Idealerweise so, dass dies nur bis zum nächsten eintretenden Ereignis gilt.
Ein Beispiel:
Lux > 6000 => Jalousien auf 65%
Lux > 15000 => Jalousien zu
Lux < 15000 => Jalousien auf 65%
Lux < 6000 => Jalousien auf

Jetzt möchte ich trotz Lux > 15000 die Jalousien auf 65% setzen (via FB). Diese sollen dann so bleiben, bis entweder Lux <15000 + Lux > 15000 eintritt oder Lux < 6000.
Ich hoffe man konnte mir folgen und würde mich über Anregungen freuen.
Gruß ErreUno

[manfredh]

Wenn du uns dein bisheriges Programm zeigen und uns die verwendeten Gerätebezeichnungen (HM...) nennen würdest, würden wir wahrscheinlich antworten:

[Glaskugelmodus an]

nicht "bei Aktualisierung auslösen" sondern "bei Änderung auslösen"

Mit der Fernbedienung könntest du dann direkt die 65% anfahren (Direktverknüpfung oder ersatzweise Programm). Das Programm greift dann wieder bei einer ÄNDERUNG der verwendeten Werte (=Über- oder Unterschreitung) und nicht bei jeder Aktualsierung der Helligkeit (um vielleicht nur 1 Lux).

[Glaskugelmodus aus]

[robbi77]

oder der App. Das funktioniert natürlich nicht, da die Automatisierung

HMIP mit Acesspoint …

[shartelt]

ich würde mal so spontan aus der Hose behaupten, dass Du hier durch erfolgreich die smalspur Möglichkeiten der Cloud Lösung ausgeschöpft hast und Deine Aufgabenstellung nicht umsetzen kannst mit der HMIP App

[HornetRider]

Mit entsprechenden Zusatzbedingungen verhindert man ungewolltes Ausführen von Automatisierungen.

In diesem Fall die Behanghöhe und die Lamellenposition, , ohne den BBL zu kennen.

[MichaelN]

Ich glaube nicht, daß Du damit die Aufgabenstellung

Jetzt möchte ich diesen Befehl bei Bedarf übersteuern - mit einer HmIP-RC8 Fernbedienung oder der App. Das funktioniert natürlich nicht, da die Automatisierung danach sofort wieder greift.
Wie bekomme ich es hin, dass ich eine Automatisierung mit der FB übersteuere? Idealerweise so, dass dies nur bis zum nächsten eintretenden Ereignis gilt.

lösen kannst.

Auf der CCU würde ich das mit einer Systemvariablen lösen. Aber das gibt es auf dem AP ja nicht, um den User nicht zu überfordern.

[MillenChi]

Via NodeRed / RedMatic ist das relativ einfach machbar.
Dazu bräuchtest halt eine CCU oder einen eigenständigen Rasperberry.
Als HM Program würde ich das tatsächlich gar nicht zu lösen versuchen.

Ein weiterer Vorteil von NodeRed.
Die Jallousie kann automatisch vom Sonnenstand her gesteuert werden.


Sieht auf den ersten Blick komplizierter aus, als es ist.

Im Grund läuft die Rollo Steuerung immer in Automatik.
- morgen Rollo rauf (Helligkeit und Zeitgesteuert)
- abends runter (Helligkeit und Zeitgesteuert)
- Fester gekippt -> Rollo min 15% auf
- Fenster (BalkonTür) ganz auf -> Rollo rauf
- Büro: Sonne scheint ins Fenster (Azimuth steuert) Rollo lässt nur bestimmte Menge Licht rein
- Wohnraum: Sonne scheint ins Fenster UND Temperatur ist über 25°(gemeldet) -> automatische Beschattung
- Sobald ich auf einen Taster drücke wird für dieses Rollo auf manuell gewechselt und der Wert gilt für 8h
- Sobald wir den TV an machen fährt das Rollo runter - TV aus -> Rollo auf Automatik
- Sprachsteuerung übersteuert Automatik. Tastersteuerung überschreibt Sprachsteuerung
- Feuermeldung -> Alle Rollos rauf
- Sturmmeldung -> Alle Rollos runter

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[shartelt]

mit einer CCU geht das auch ganze ohne NodeRed…

das ist nicht die frage…

[HornetRider]

Es geht zumindest zum Teil mit Automatisierungen.

Meine Automatisierungen für den Wärmeschutz fahren meine Rolläden(mit FROLL) nur herunter, auf 75%, wenn die Behanghöhe kleiner gleich <=5% ist. Steht sie > 5% habe ich von Hand oder ggf durch meinen Kinomodus* verfahren, soll also so bleiben.
Ähnlich verfahre ich mit dem Hochfahren aus der Position für dem Wärmeschutz, die Automatisierung wird nur ausgeführt, wenn die Behanghöhe zwischen 74 und 76% steht.

Wenn mehrere Höhen oder Lamellenpositionen angefahren werden sollen, muss man da etwas vielleicht kreativer werden


Mit CCU oder Middleware funktioniert das dann natürlich besser, da stimme ich zu, weil man Variablen verwenden kann.


*im ioBroker programmiert, da noch Nicht-HmIP Komponenten gesteuert bzw abgefragt werden Behanghöhe 80%

[ErreUno]

Hallo!
@All: Danke für's Feedback!
@HornetRider: Das war der entscheidende Denkanstoß für die Lösung!
Ich lasse jetzt im Automatik-Modus und über die Fernbedienung jeweils leicht unterschiedliche Lamellenwinkel fahren. Diese "identifiziere" ich dann wiederum mit der Automatik als Nebenbedingung. So funzt es! Top!
Gruß EU