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Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 18:03
von plotzkella
Jetzt hat es auch meinen Nachbau erwischt, habe zuerst vom Windows 10 PC, dann vom iPhone und dann vom Surface Pro (auch Win10) zugegriffen, dann hat es "Zoom" gemacht...

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17:51:12.765 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
17:51:13.103 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
17:51:13.103 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":58,"boottime":1591535586,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
17:51:13.205 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
17:51:13.205 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
17:51:13.514 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
17:51:13.687 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 1818
17:51:15.535 -> ****************
17:51:15.535 -> !message Buffer = 2
17:51:15.535 -> ****************
17:51:20.103 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
17:51:20.921 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
17:51:20.921 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":61,"boottime":1591535586,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
17:51:21.498 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
17:51:21.498 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
17:51:21.904 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
17:51:22.041 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 1725
17:51:23.783 -> ****************
17:51:23.816 -> !message Buffer = 2
17:51:23.816 -> ****************
17:51:23.816 -> ****************
17:51:23.816 -> !message Buffer = 3
17:51:23.816 -> ****************
17:51:23.816 -> # PROCESSING SERIAL DATA #
17:51:23.816 -> I P #0: :4A13120083919B09F000010003C94475CA92BFC5D9
17:51:23.816 -> getSerialFromAddress 9542409
17:51:23.851 -> getSerialFromAddress 15728641
17:51:24.022 ->  - SPIFFS Session Log : message appended, F: 4 L: 68
17:51:24.089 -> 
17:51:24.089 -> Added to LogTable: 
17:51:24.123 ->  - fromAddress : 919B09
17:51:24.123 ->  - fromSerial  : 00085A499D
17:51:24.123 ->  - toAddress   : F00001
17:51:24.123 ->  - toSerial    : 0000000000
17:51:24.123 ->  - rssi        : -74
17:51:24.123 ->  - len         : 19
17:51:24.123 ->  - cnt         : 18
17:51:24.123 ->  - typ         : HMIP_TYPE                     
17:51:24.156 ->  - flags       : HMIP_UNKNOWN                  
17:51:24.156 ->  - msg         : 13 12 00 83 91 9B 09 F0 00 01 00 03 C9 44 75 CA 92 BF C5 D9 
17:51:24.156 ->  - time        : 07.06.2020 15:51:23
17:51:24.189 -> ######## PROCESSING 469 END ########
17:51:24.189 -> 
17:51:27.693 -> abort() was called at PC 0x401868c7 on core 1
17:51:27.693 -> 
17:51:27.693 -> Backtrace: 0x4008c694:0x3ffe7fa0 0x4008c8c5:0x3ffe7fc0 0x401868c7:0x3ffe7fe0 0x4018690e:0x3ffe8000 0x40186153:0x3ffe8020 0x40186246:0x3ffe8040 0x401861fd:0x3ffe8060 0x400f6fd1:0x3ffe8080 0x400f7015:0x3ffe80a0 0x400ed2f8:0x3ffe80c0 0x400ed31c:0x3ffe80e0 0x400f5a5d:0x3ffe8100 0x400d5ecb:0x3ffe8120 0x400d5f39:0x3ffe8160 0x400eee55:0x3ffe8180 0x400ec8e5:0x3ffe81c0 0x400ec9a9:0x3ffe8200 0x400ecc11:0x3ffe8240 0x400eff29:0x3ffe8260 0x400effbd:0x3ffe82a0 0x400f05fa:0x3ffe82c0 0x40088ddd:0x3ffe82f0
17:51:27.797 -> 
17:51:27.797 -> Rebooting...
17:51:27.797 -> ⸮⸮HHH⸮J⸮⸮!⸮!B
17:51:28.236 -> ASKSINANALYZER ESP32 3.4 (Jun  7 2020 13:22:00)
17:51:28.236 -> --------------------------------
17:51:28.236 -> - INIT ONLINE_MODE (Enabled)
17:51:28.236 -> - INIT SD CARD
17:51:29.092 ->  - Card Mount Failed 
17:51:29.092 -> - INIT SD CARD DONE. SD CARD IS NOT AVAILABLE
17:51:29.092 -> - INIT SPIFFS
17:51:29.195 ->  - SPIFFS: Mount OK
17:51:29.195 ->  - SPIFFS: Total kB: 1345
17:51:29.195 ->  - SPIFFS: Used  kB: 61
17:51:29.195 ->  - SPIFFS: Free  kb: 1284
17:51:29.195 -> - INIT SPIFFS  DONE. SPIFFS  IS AVAILABLE
17:51:29.195 ->  - SPIFFS deleting old Session Log files
17:51:29.331 -> - LOADING CONFIG
17:51:29.331 -> - dump config  :
17:51:29.331 ->  - Hostname      : AskSinAnalyzer
17:51:29.331 ->  - BACKEND       : 0
17:51:29.331 ->  - BACKEND HTTPS : 0
17:51:29.364 ->  - BACKEND URL   : 
17:51:29.364 ->  - CCU IP        : 10.10.10.8
17:51:29.364 ->  - NTP           : pool.ntp.org
17:51:29.364 ->  - Static IP     : 10.10.10.20
17:51:29.364 ->  - Static Mask   : 255.255.255.0
17:51:29.364 ->  - Static GW     : 10.10.10.1
17:51:29.364 ->  - RSSI Hist.BW  : 5
17:51:29.398 ->  - RSSI Al.Ths   : 0
17:51:29.398 ->  - RSSI Al.Cnt   : 0
17:51:29.398 -> - Config-Modus durch bootConfigMode aktivieren? 
17:51:29.398 ->  -> bootConfigMode existiert NICHT
17:51:29.398 -> - RESOLVE_ADDRESS is active!
17:51:29.398 -> - INIT WIFI CONNECT.
17:51:29.466 ->  - Connecting to WiFi.............................................................
17:51:59.960 -> - INIT WIFI CONNECT DONE. WIFI IS NOT AVAILABLE
17:51:59.994 -> - INIT MDNS DONE. STATUS: OK
17:51:59.994 -> - INIT NTP DONE.          NTP IS NOT AVAILABLE
17:51:59.994 -> - INIT WEBSERVER DONE.
17:51:59.994 ->  - fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList: ERROR
17:51:59.994 ->  - JSON DeserializationError: InvalidInput
17:52:00.029 -> DONE
17:52:00.029 -> - INIT COMPLETE.
17:52:00.029 -> --------------------------------
17:52:00.029 -> ****************
17:52:00.029 -> !message Buffer = 2
17:52:00.029 -> ****************
17:52:00.029 -> ****************
Soll ich mal die max log entries auf 50 reduzieren, wie hier dargestellt?

Werde mal zur Sicherheit ein neues WLAN mit meiner alten FritzBox 7270 aufbauen und dann weiter testen...

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 18:30
von jp112sdl
plotzkella hat geschrieben: ↑
07.06.2020, 18:03
 Soll ich mal die max log entries auf 50 reduzieren, wie hier dargestellt?
Ah, genau da war der Fehler schon mal.
Das ist schon passiert und im Code umgesetzt.

Ich glaub nach wie vor daran, dass es irgendwas mit dem WLAN zu tun hat.
Auch dass der WiFi Connect nach dem Reboot fehlschlägt, ist seltsam.
Wenn es ein generelles Problem wäre, dann hätten sich noch mehr Leute gemeldet, denke ich mal

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 19:25
von stan23
Mit 3 gleichzeitigen Zugriffen auf die WebUI schaffe ich auch einen Crash.

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PC: 0x4014cdd2: tcp_receive at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/core/tcp_in.c line 1177
EXCVADDR: 0x00000004

Decoding stack results
0x4014cdd2: tcp_receive at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/core/tcp_in.c line 1177
0x4014ddb3: tcp_process at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/core/tcp_in.c line 907
0x4014e7c1: tcp_input at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/core/tcp_in.c line 372
0x40154b4f: ip4_input at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/core/ipv4/ip4.c line 746
0x40159d7a: ethernet_input at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/netif/ethernet.c line 184
0x40147c67: tcpip_thread at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/api/tcpip.c line 135
0x400889dd: vPortTaskWrapper at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/freertos/port.c line 143

EDIT:
nur 145 Telegramme später crasht es ganz von selber, ohne Zugriff:

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Decoding stack results
0x4008ca40: invoke_abort at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/esp32/panic.c line 155
0x4008cc71: abort at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/esp32/panic.c line 170
0x40109ecb: __assert_func at ../../../.././newlib/libc/stdlib/assert.c line 63
0x4014b212: tcp_update_rcv_ann_wnd at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/core/tcp.c line 779
0x4014b2a1: tcp_recved at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/core/tcp.c line 820
0x400efa65: _tcp_recved_api(tcpip_api_call_data*) at C:\Users\marco\Documents\Arduino\libraries\AsyncTCP-master\src\AsyncTCP.cpp line 383
0x40147c40: tcpip_thread at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/lwip/lwip/src/api/tcpip.c line 124
0x400889dd: vPortTaskWrapper at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/freertos/port.c line 143

Und ein Crash von Thomas:

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Decoding stack results
0x4008ca40: invoke_abort at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/esp32/panic.c line 155
0x4008cc71: abort at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/esp32/panic.c line 170
0x4017705f: __cxxabiv1::__terminate(void (*)()) at /builds/idf/crosstool-NG/.build/src/gcc-5.2.0/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/eh_terminate.cc line 47
0x401770a6: std::terminate() at /builds/idf/crosstool-NG/.build/src/gcc-5.2.0/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/eh_terminate.cc line 57
0x401768eb: __cxxabiv1::__cxa_throw(void*, std::type_info*, void (*)(void*)) at /builds/idf/crosstool-NG/.build/src/gcc-5.2.0/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/eh_throw.cc line 87
0x401769de: operator new(unsigned int) at /builds/idf/crosstool-NG/.build/src/gcc-5.2.0/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/new_op.cc line 54
0x40176995: operator new[](unsigned int) at /builds/idf/crosstool-NG/.build/src/gcc-5.2.0/libstdc++-v3/libsupc++/new_opv.cc line 32
0x400f6521: cbuf::resize(unsigned int) at C:\Users\marco\AppData\Local\Arduino15\packages\esp32\hardware\esp32\1.0.2\cores\esp32\cbuf.cpp line 49
0x400f6565: cbuf::resizeAdd(unsigned int) at C:\Users\marco\AppData\Local\Arduino15\packages\esp32\hardware\esp32\1.0.2\cores\esp32\cbuf.cpp line 35
0x400ed664: AsyncResponseStream::write(unsigned char const*, unsigned int) at C:\Users\marco\Documents\Arduino\libraries\ESPAsyncWebServer-master\src\WebResponses.cpp line 687
0x40196c81: Print::print(String const&) at C:\Users\marco\AppData\Local\Arduino15\packages\esp32\hardware\esp32\1.0.2\cores\esp32/Print.h line 71
0x400d65cb: getRSSILog(AsyncWebServerRequest*) at C:\Users\marco\AppData\Local\Temp\arduino_build_987316\sketch/Web.h line 293
0x400d6621: std::_Function_handler   >::_M_invoke(const std::_Any_data &,  ) at C:\Users\marco\AppData\Local\Temp\arduino_build_987316\sketch/Web.h line 480
0x400ef033: AsyncCallbackWebHandler::handleRequest(AsyncWebServerRequest*) at c:\users\marco\appdata\local\arduino15\packages\esp32\tools\xtensa-esp32-elf-gcc\1.22.0-80-g6c4433a-5.2.0\xtensa-esp32-elf\include\c++\5.2.0/functional line 2271
0x400ecd23: AsyncWebServerRequest::_parseLine() at C:\Users\marco\Documents\Arduino\libraries\ESPAsyncWebServer-master\src\WebRequest.cpp line 576
0x400ecdc9: AsyncWebServerRequest::_onData(void*, unsigned int) at C:\Users\marco\Documents\Arduino\libraries\ESPAsyncWebServer-master\src\WebRequest.cpp line 121
0x400ed021: std::_Function_handler   >::_M_invoke(const std::_Any_data &,  ,  ,  ,  ) at C:\Users\marco\Documents\Arduino\libraries\ESPAsyncWebServer-master\src\WebRequest.cpp line 75
0x400efd1d: AsyncClient::_recv(tcp_pcb*, pbuf*, signed char) at c:\users\marco\appdata\local\arduino15\packages\esp32\tools\xtensa-esp32-elf-gcc\1.22.0-80-g6c4433a-5.2.0\xtensa-esp32-elf\include\c++\5.2.0/functional line 2271
0x400efe3d: AsyncClient::_s_recv(void*, tcp_pcb*, pbuf*, signed char) at C:\Users\marco\Documents\Arduino\libraries\AsyncTCP-master\src\AsyncTCP.cpp line 1068
0x400f03c2: _async_service_task(void*) at C:\Users\marco\Documents\Arduino\libraries\AsyncTCP-master\src\AsyncTCP.cpp line 150
0x400889dd: vPortTaskWrapper at /Users/ficeto/Desktop/ESP32/ESP32/esp-idf-public/components/freertos/port.c line 143
Mein Analyzer verbindet sich von selbst wieder, bei Thomas nicht, trotz einem

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WiFi.disconnect(true, true);
vor dem Verbinden.

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 19:42
von plotzkella
Nachdem ich ein komplett neue WLAN aufgesetzt habe mit einer zurückgesetzten, also "fabrikneuen" FB 7270 lässt sich der Fehler sowohl an Marco's Analyzer sowie an meinem Nachbau reproduzieren. Beide crashen, wenn mehrfache Zugriffe mit drei Clients (bei mir nacheinander im 5 Sekunden Takt) stattfinden.

Anbei das Protokoll von Marco's Analyzer:

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19:37:47.999 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:48.438 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:48.438 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.25","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"84:0D:8E:C1:80:0C","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":1,"sdcardsizemb":3724,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"3716","sdcardusedspacemb":"5","spiffssizekb":1342,"spiffsusedkb":4,"boottime":1591551345,"display":1,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": [{"name":"/20200602.csv", "size":434460},{"name":"/20200603.csv", "size":938037},{"name":"/log.csv", "size":695699},{"name":"/20200604.csv", "size":497805},{"name":"/20200605.csv", "size":1113343},{"name":"/20200606.csv", "size":332672},{"name":"/20200607.csv", "size":793091}]}
19:37:48.643 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:48.712 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:48.746 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:49.019 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 72
19:37:58.550 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:58.891 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:59.028 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.25","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"84:0D:8E:C1:80:0C","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":1,"sdcardsizemb":3724,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"3716","sdcardusedspacemb":"5","spiffssizekb":1342,"spiffsusedkb":4,"boottime":1591551345,"display":1,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": [{"name":"/20200602.csv", "size":434460},{"name":"/20200603.csv", "size":938037},{"name":"/log.csv", "size":695699},{"name":"/20200604.csv", "size":497805},{"name":"/20200605.csv", "size":1113343},{"name":"/20200606.csv", "size":332672},{"name":"/20200607.csv", "size":793091}]}
19:37:59.097 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:59.097 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:59.131 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:59.131 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 208
19:38:10.737 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:38:11.011 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:38:11.182 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.25","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"84:0D:8E:C1:80:0C","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":1,"sdcardsizemb":3724,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"3716","sdcardusedspacemb":"5","spiffssizekb":1342,"spiffsusedkb":4,"boottime":1591551345,"display":1,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": [{"name":"/20200602.csv", "size":434460},{"name":"/20200603.csv", "size":938037},{"name":"/log.csv", "size":695699},{"name":"/20200604.csv", "size":497805},{"name":"/20200605.csv", "size":1113343},{"name":"/20200606.csv", "size":332672},{"name":"/20200607.csv", "size":793091}]}
19:38:11.317 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:38:11.351 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:38:11.385 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:38:11.522 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 199
19:38:13.806 -> abort() was called at PC 0x4017705f on core 1
19:38:13.908 -> 
19:38:13.908 -> Backtrace: 0x4008ca40:0x3ffee8d0 0x4008cc71:0x3ffee8f0 0x4017705f:0x3ffee910 0x401770a6:0x3ffee930 0x401768eb:0x3ffee950 0x401769de:0x3ffee970 0x40176995:0x3ffee990 0x400f6521:0x3ffee9b0 0x400f6565:0x3ffee9d0 0x400ed664:0x3ffee9f0 0x400ed688:0x3ffeea10 0x40196c81:0x3ffeea30 0x400d65cb:0x3ffeea50 0x400d6621:0x3ffeea90 0x400ef033:0x3ffeeab0 0x400ecd23:0x3ffeeaf0 0x400ecdc9:0x3ffeeb30 0x400ed021:0x3ffeeb80 0x400efd1d:0x3ffeeba0 0x400efe3d:0x3ffeebe0 0x400f03c2:0x3ffeec00 0x400889dd:0x3ffeec30
19:38:13.908 -> 
19:38:13.908 -> Rebooting...
19:38:13.908 -> ⸮⸮⸮⸮Ĥ⸮⸮⸮⸮⸮bb⸮⸮ą&a`⸮⸮⸮⸮Ĥ⸮b#A#c⸮b姦⸮䄆"⸮Ąb⸮g⸮⸮Ą⸮⸮⸮⸮⸮⸮d⸮⸮Ą⸮⸮⸮⸮⸮⸮Ć⸮⸮⸮⸮ą⸮⸮⸮⸮DÇ⸮@ä⸮儦⸮b愇⸮⸮⸮⸮Ɔ⸮DÇ⸮ĥ⸮⸮⸮⸮䇄DÇ⸮Ą⸮⸮⸮⸮⸮ǥEÇ⸮ĄĄ⸮⸮䧄D⸮⸮ń⸮⸮⸮⸮F⸮
19:38:14.319 -> ASKSINANALYZER ESP32 3.4d2 (Jun  7 2020 18:45:11)
19:38:14.387 -> --------------------------------
19:38:14.387 -> - INIT ONLINE_MODE (Enabled)
19:38:14.387 -> - INIT SD CARD
19:38:14.387 ->  - SD Card Type  : SDHC
19:38:14.387 ->  - SD Card Size MB: 3724
19:38:14.387 ->  - Total space  MB: 3716
19:38:14.761 ->  - Used space   MB: 5
19:38:14.761 -> - INIT SD CARD DONE. SD CARD IS AVAILABLE
19:38:14.795 -> - INIT SPIFFS
19:38:14.864 ->  - SPIFFS: Mount OK
19:38:14.864 ->  - SPIFFS: Total kB: 1342
19:38:14.899 ->  - SPIFFS: Used  kB: 4
19:38:14.899 ->  - SPIFFS: Free  kb: 1338
19:38:14.899 -> - INIT SPIFFS  DONE. SPIFFS  IS AVAILABLE
19:38:14.899 ->  - SPIFFS deleting old Session Log files
19:38:14.966 -> - INIT TFT.
19:38:15.001 ->  - showDisplayDetails = Enabled
19:38:15.001 ->  - showDisplayLines   = Enabled
19:38:15.716 -> - INIT TFT DONE.
19:38:15.716 -> - LOADING CONFIG
19:38:15.716 -> - dump config  :
19:38:15.784 ->  - Hostname      : AskSinAnalyzer
19:38:15.784 ->  - BACKEND       : 0
19:38:15.784 ->  - BACKEND HTTPS : 0
19:38:15.784 ->  - BACKEND URL   : 
19:38:15.784 ->  - CCU IP        : 10.10.10.8
19:38:15.784 ->  - NTP           : pool.ntp.org
19:38:15.784 ->  - Static IP     : 10.10.10.25
19:38:15.784 ->  - Static Mask   : 255.255.255.0
19:38:15.784 ->  - Static GW     : 10.10.10.1
19:38:15.784 ->  - RSSI Hist.BW  : 5
19:38:15.784 ->  - RSSI Al.Ths   : 0
19:38:15.784 ->  - RSSI Al.Cnt   : 0
19:38:15.784 -> - Config-Modus durch bootConfigMode aktivieren? 
19:38:15.784 ->  -> bootConfigMode existiert NICHT
19:38:15.784 -> - RESOLVE_ADDRESS is active!
19:38:15.784 -> - INIT WIFI CONNECT.
19:38:15.854 -> Disconnecting WiFi first - 1
19:38:15.957 ->  - Connecting to WiFi..
19:38:16.949 ->  - Connected to the WiFi network
19:38:16.983 ->  - SSID: NSA
19:38:16.983 ->  - IP Address: 10.10.10.25
19:38:16.983 ->  - RSSI: -47 dBm
19:38:16.983 ->  - Hostname: AskSinAnalyzer
19:38:16.983 -> - INIT WIFI CONNECT DONE. WIFI IS AVAILABLE
19:38:16.983 -> - INIT MDNS DONE. STATUS: OK
19:38:17.085 ->  - NTP time was set from pool.ntp.org
19:38:17.085 -> - INIT NTP DONE.          NTP IS AVAILABLE (07.06.2020 17:38:17)
19:38:17.085 -> - INIT WEBSERVER DONE.
19:38:17.085 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:38:17.119 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:38:17.119 -> DONE
19:38:17.119 -> - INIT COMPLETE.
19:38:17.153 -> --------------------------------
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9:37:05.106 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:05.414 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:05.414 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:37:05.515 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:05.549 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:05.618 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:05.653 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 283
19:37:11.850 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:12.293 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:12.293 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:37:12.397 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:12.397 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:12.464 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:12.532 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 304
19:37:19.731 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:20.142 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:20.176 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:37:20.313 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:20.313 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:20.382 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:20.518 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 225
19:37:31.648 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:31.887 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:31.887 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:37:31.991 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:31.991 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:32.059 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:32.263 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 306
19:37:36.955 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:37.263 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:37.263 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:37:37.366 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:37.400 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:37.468 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:37.502 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 323
19:37:44.281 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:44.726 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:44.761 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:37:44.862 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:44.862 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:44.931 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:44.964 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 324
19:37:56.704 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:37:57.048 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:37:57.048 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:37:57.254 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:37:57.254 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:37:57.323 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:37:57.393 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 339
19:38:05.812 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:38:06.152 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:38:06.152 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:38:06.255 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:38:06.289 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:38:06.322 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:38:06.629 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 243
19:38:14.170 -> Serving indexHtml using branch "master"
19:38:14.544 -> ::: Web.h /getConfig
19:38:14.544 -> ::: /getConfig JSON: {"staticipconfig":1,"ip":"10.10.10.20","ntp":"pool.ntp.org","hostname":"AskSinAnalyzer","netmask":"255.255.255.0","gw":"10.10.10.1","macaddress":"24:62:AB:DD:43:EC","ccuip":"10.10.10.8","ccuhttps":0,"backend":0,"backendurl":"","resolve":1,"sdcardavailable":0,"sdcardsizemb":0,"sdcardtotalspacemb":"0","sdcardusedspacemb":"0","spiffssizekb":1345,"spiffsusedkb":9,"boottime":1591550725,"display":0,"rssi_hbw":5,"rssi_alarmcount":0,"rssi_alarmthreshold":0,"version_upper":3,"version_lower":4,"sd_content": []}
19:38:14.680 -> ::: Web.h /getAskSinAnalyzerDevListJSON
19:38:14.680 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:38:14.747 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:38:15.023 -> Merging all logfiles to tempfile [+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-] done. duration (ms): 342
19:38:32.248 -> abort() was called at PC 0x401868c7 on core 1
19:38:32.248 -> 
19:38:32.248 -> Backtrace: 0x4008c694:0x3ffe7fa0 0x4008c8c5:0x3ffe7fc0 0x401868c7:0x3ffe7fe0 0x4018690e:0x3ffe8000 0x40186153:0x3ffe8020 0x40186246:0x3ffe8040 0x401861fd:0x3ffe8060 0x400f6fd1:0x3ffe8080 0x400f7015:0x3ffe80a0 0x400ed2f8:0x3ffe80c0 0x400ed31c:0x3ffe80e0 0x400f5a5d:0x3ffe8100 0x400d5ecb:0x3ffe8120 0x400d5f39:0x3ffe8160 0x400eee55:0x3ffe8180 0x400ec8e5:0x3ffe81c0 0x400ec9a9:0x3ffe8200 0x400ecc11:0x3ffe8240 0x400eff29:0x3ffe8260 0x400effbd:0x3ffe82a0 0x400f05fa:0x3ffe82c0 0x40088ddd:0x3ffe82f0
19:38:32.351 -> 
19:38:32.351 -> Rebooting...
19:38:32.351 -> ⸮⸮
HHB⸮Jz⸮!⸮!⸮
19:38:32.793 -> ASKSINANALYZER ESP32 3.4 (Jun  7 2020 13:22:00)
19:38:32.793 -> --------------------------------
19:38:32.793 -> - INIT ONLINE_MODE (Enabled)
19:38:32.793 -> - INIT SD CARD
19:38:33.643 ->  - Card Mount Failed 
19:38:33.643 -> - INIT SD CARD DONE. SD CARD IS NOT AVAILABLE
19:38:33.643 -> - INIT SPIFFS
19:38:33.713 ->  - SPIFFS: Mount OK
19:38:33.747 ->  - SPIFFS: Total kB: 1345
19:38:33.747 ->  - SPIFFS: Used  kB: 9
19:38:33.747 ->  - SPIFFS: Free  kb: 1336
19:38:33.747 -> - INIT SPIFFS  DONE. SPIFFS  IS AVAILABLE
19:38:33.747 ->  - SPIFFS deleting old Session Log files
19:38:33.816 -> - LOADING CONFIG
19:38:33.816 -> - dump config  :
19:38:33.816 ->  - Hostname      : AskSinAnalyzer
19:38:33.850 ->  - BACKEND       : 0
19:38:33.850 ->  - BACKEND HTTPS : 0
19:38:33.850 ->  - BACKEND URL   : 
19:38:33.850 ->  - CCU IP        : 10.10.10.8
19:38:33.850 ->  - NTP           : pool.ntp.org
19:38:33.850 ->  - Static IP     : 10.10.10.20
19:38:33.850 ->  - Static Mask   : 255.255.255.0
19:38:33.850 ->  - Static GW     : 10.10.10.1
19:38:33.885 ->  - RSSI Hist.BW  : 5
19:38:33.885 ->  - RSSI Al.Ths   : 0
19:38:33.885 ->  - RSSI Al.Cnt   : 0
19:38:33.885 -> - Config-Modus durch bootConfigMode aktivieren? 
19:38:33.885 ->  -> bootConfigMode existiert NICHT
19:38:33.885 -> - RESOLVE_ADDRESS is active!
19:38:33.885 -> - INIT WIFI CONNECT.
19:38:33.953 ->  - Connecting to WiFi...
19:38:35.454 ->  - Connected to the WiFi network
19:38:35.488 ->  - SSID: NSA
19:38:35.488 ->  - IP Address: 10.10.10.20
19:38:35.488 ->  - RSSI: -52 dBm
19:38:35.488 ->  - Hostname: AskSinAnalyzer
19:38:35.488 -> - INIT WIFI CONNECT DONE. WIFI IS AVAILABLE
19:38:35.488 -> - INIT MDNS DONE. STATUS: OK
19:38:35.522 ->  - NTP time was set from pool.ntp.org
19:38:35.522 -> - INIT NTP DONE.          NTP IS AVAILABLE (07.06.2020 17:38:36)
19:38:35.556 -> - INIT WEBSERVER DONE.
19:38:35.556 -> - Loading DevList from CCU fetchAskSinAnalyzerDevList url: http://10.10.10.8:8181/a.exe?ret=dom.GetObject(ID_SYSTEM_VARIABLES).Get(%22AskSinAnalyzerDevList%22).Value()
19:38:35.625 ->  - Device List created with 62 entries
19:38:35.625 -> DONE
19:38:35.625 -> - INIT COMPLETE.
19:38:35.625 -> --------------------------------

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 19:48
von plotzkella
jp112sdl hat geschrieben: ↑
07.06.2020, 18:30
plotzkella hat geschrieben: ↑
07.06.2020, 18:03
 Soll ich mal die max log entries auf 50 reduzieren, wie hier dargestellt?
Ah, genau da war der Fehler schon mal.
Das ist schon passiert und im Code umgesetzt.
Sicher? Ist das in der ino dann ein anderer Parameter?
2020-06-07 19_47_41-AskSinAnalyzerESP32 _ Arduino 1.8.12.jpg
2020-06-07 19_47_41-AskSinAnalyzerESP32 _ Arduino 1.8.12.jpg (15.23 KiB) 1444 mal betrachtet

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 20:06
von stan23
Ob 50 oder 51, es waren vorher mal 200:
https://github.com/jp112sdl/AskSinAnaly ... 684e554L75

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 20:17
von jp112sdl
stan23 hat geschrieben: ↑
07.06.2020, 20:06
 Ob 50 oder 51, es waren vorher mal 200:
https://github.com/jp112sdl/AskSinAnaly ... 684e554L75
Genau, der eine mehr war mal für irgendeinen Überlauf oder so.
stan23 hat geschrieben: ↑
07.06.2020, 19:25
 Mit 3 gleichzeitigen Zugriffen auf die WebUI schaffe ich auch einen Crash.
Ist dann aber eine andere Exception

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 20:39
von UwePv
Fertiger Umbau mit integrierter Power Bank
gesamt.jpg
Ansicht
innen.jpg
innen
hinten.jpg
hinten
seit.jpg
powerb
117Rauschen.jpg
rauschen
jetzt portabel

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 07.06.2020, 20:51
von UwePv
Ps: Ich hab es kleiner gemacht :D
kleim.jpg

Re: AskSinAnalyzer - HM Funk Telegramm-Auswerter

Verfasst: 11.06.2020, 14:00
von plotzkella
Kurzer Zwischen- bzw. "Endstand": Der Analyzer (Platine von Marco) mit Display läuft mittlerweile seit drei Tagen und knapp 30K Telegrammen problemlos, sofern man nur von einem einzigen Client (hier ein Windows-PC) aus zugreift.

Scheinbar mag der Webserver keine mehrfachen bzw. gleichzeitigen Zugriffe von unterschiedlichen Clients.

Das soweit zur Info und vielleicht auch als Anregung für das Wiki...
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