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Basics: Differences Homematic IP vs Homematic in English

Beitrag von tomi_cc16 » 05.01.2018, 22:11

Hi,

If you don’t want to spend a lot of time and only want a plug & play solution, Homematic IP with Cloud Access Point is what you should choose. You need to buy an HM IP Access Point (always connected to the Cloud and !!! can only use Homematic IP protocol !!!) and configure the HM IP devices you want to control. There is also an official Homematic IP App for iOS and Android available, English User Guide PDF, Amazon Alexa and Google Home is already integrated and you can create with the "Automation function" your own scenarios and heat profiles with the App. Also in the future you can use IFTTT with Conrad Connect (Q4 2018).
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Homematic IP Starter Set with Cloud Access Point:
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https://www.amazon.de/Homematic-IP-Star ... +set&psc=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/HomeMatic-Star ... G6WE17D53Q

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But if you want to go deeper, combine different programs, use both protocols Homematic & Homematic IP and be also Cloud independent !!! Then you should choose as central gateway a CCU - different options available CCU2 (official but older), CCU3 (official - Q4 2018) - or build your own CCU with RaspberryMatic or piVCCU (both faster than old CCU2) + wireless homematic module
• CCU2 (official)
• CCU3 (official - since Q4 2018)
• RaspberryMatic (own build)
• piVCCU (own build)
All can control classic Homematic protocol and Homematic IP protocol

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and
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New CCU3 out since Q4 2018:
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https://www.amazon.de/Zentrale-inklusiv ... words=CCU3
older Homematic central CCU2 - only for small projects, beginners or modify as Lan-Gateway:
https://www.amazon.de/HomeMatic-103584- ... matic+ccu2



If you want to build your own CCU3:
+ Raspberry Pi or Tinker Board

+ RaspberryMatic software:
https://github.com/jens-maus/RaspberryMatic
+ or piVCCU software:
https://github.com/alexreinert/piVCCU

+ Wireless Homematic Module (HM-MOD-RPI-PCB): - can also be used as LAN Gateway
https://www.elv.de/homematic-funkmodul- ... usatz.html
+++New Wireless Homematic Module (RPI-RF-MOD) / Q2 2018 +++
https://www.elv.de/homematic-funk-modul ... usatz.html

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Pro and Cons: Homematic and Homematic IP with CCU/RaspberryMatic vs Homematic IP Access Point (AP)


"classic" Homematic and Homematic IP with CCU/RaspberryMatic
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Pro:
• Up to 400 devices can be connected to CCU3 and RaspberryMatic/piVCCU
• Homematic wired components for fuse boxes. Especially for new construction projects, the use of wired components can save a lot of money. Higher reliability of wired components because they are insensitive to radio interference (and no duty cycle)
• New Homematic IP wired components (from Q1 2019) can only be used with CCU3 and RaspberryMatic/piVCCU
• Powerful program creation (scripts) on the CCU2/CCU3/RaspberryMatic/piVCCU:
• Direct link between devices with same protocol HM with HM, HM IP with HM IP (works also if CCU2/CCU3/RaspberryMatic/piVCCU is offline)
• internal functions in your network still available if the Internet is not working
• High flexibility due to the possibility of installing additional software (e.g. Philips HUE, Sonos, Homekit Siri, Amazon Alexa, …) on the CCU2/CCU3/RaspberryMatic/piVCCU
Homematic & Homematic IP devices/protocol can be connected to the CCU2/CCU3/RaspberryMatic/piVCCU (!)
• With the latest Firmware "official" Philips HUE integration
• Good documented API - can be used with 3’rd party overall smart home connectors like ioBroker, Openhab, FHEM, Homee, Home Assistant, Conrad Connect …
• Big German fanbase and scripts and knowledge available

Cons:
• No official Cloud Service available (but you can use e.g. cloudmatic for a small fee to use cloud functionality)
• No official smartphone App, but there are many very good Apps for iOS and Android (see list below) from independent developers available
• Access from the Internet e.g. for an App to the CCU2/CCU3/RaspberryMatic/piVCCU must be done per VPN or e.g. cloudmatic.
• The system needs a higher training period and can be seen as a small hobby from a certain size - you should definitely have fun and be ready to put time into the project.
• Old fashioned administration interface of the CCU2/CCU3/RaspberryMatic/piVCCU - It cannot be used as a visualization on a tablet. But there are Web and App solutions available
• No new classic Homematic devices due to the fact that Homematic IP device/protocal can be added easily to CCU2/CCU3/RaspberryMatic
• In one room the recommendation is not to mix Homematic IP protocol and Homematic protocol devices because a direct connection is not possible between different protocols
• Very small English speaking fanbase
• Can take a lot of your time if topics and progams are getting bigger ;-)


Homematic IP with Cloud Access Point
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Pro:
• Official App for Android and iOS (not for Windows Phone)
• Amazon Alexa and Google Home integration
• IFTTT through Conrad Connect from Q4 2018
• Easy handling of the App - much more suitable for users who have little desire to work for hours in any details
• Full control and highly secured free (!) Cloud (!) - you do not have to worry about whether you're on your Wi-Fi network or on the other side of the world. The access always works.
• Very simple setup - The central Homematic IP Access Point is simply connected to the router, everything else is done by scanning the QR codes on the devices with the smartphone.
• Modern design
• Own Scenario and heating profiles available
• New products constantly created
• Home Assistant and FHEM is already possible (not official API) - and from Q4 2018 also Conrad Connect (official)

Cons:
• No configuration of the system on the computer possible, the App must be used
• Maximum of 80 HMIP devices
• "classic" Homematic protocol can't be taught to the Homematic IP Cloud Access Point only Homematic IP protocol (!!! CCU can do both protocols !!!)
• No Internet, no Cloud, no internal Wifi configuration or control thru App - but direct connections still working - also security functions are now working without the app !!!
• No access with other systems to the data of Homematic IP, no documented API - thus Homematic IP cannot be combined with other systems like ioBroker, Openhab, Homee,…☹
• No interface, no individual scripts/programs/Addons possible yet
• No direct Apple Homekit Siri, Philips HUE, IFTTT, ... integration/interaction - only Conrad Connect

Homematic IP User Guide PDF English
https://www.eq-3.com/service/downloads. ... &pid=18148
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Homematic and Homematic IP with CCU/RaspberryMatic - Important Info
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VPN and Amazon Alexa connection by cloudmatic for 22,95€ per year (use Chrome to translate the page)
https://www.cloudmatic.de/cloudmatic-connect.html

Amazon Alexa and VPN Hconnect (use Chrome to translate the page) for 5,95€ per year
https://hconnectweb.azurewebsites.net/

Homematic Link Collection for Beginners (read it !! it's in German but so important - use Chrome to translate the page)
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22801

Homematic manuals (check also the "Brochure" - Download-Type for a good overview)
http://www.eq-3.com/service/downloads.html

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Apps for iOS:
• @Home (best iOS App for Free)
• pocket control HM (best iOS App for money)
• HomeControl
• homeNOW
• LiVo
• …

Android Apps:
• TinyMatic
• Home24
• homeNOW
• …

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AddOns:

CUx-Daemon Addon – *MotherOfAllHmAddons* - an universal interface between the HomeMatic CCU logic layer (ReGaHSS) and third-party (EnOcean, M-Bus, 1-Wire, ArtDMX, etc.) and virtual devices - *must* basic for most Addons
https://github.com/jens-maus/cuxd

CCU-Protect Addon (use Chrome to translate the page)
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=27404&p=241790#p241790

Virtual Interface Addon (Many many plugins like HUE, Sonos, NetAmo, LogitechHarmony, ..)
https://github.com/thkl/Homematic-Virtual-Interface

Philips HUE Addon with Status:
https://github.com/j-a-n/homematic-addon-hue

Homebridge (Siri/Homekit) Addon: - e.g. additional Raspi is necessary
https://github.com/thkl/homebridge-homematic

Homegear Addon:
https://github.com/Homegear/Homegear-HomeMaticBidCoS

Webmatic Addon: (nicer Web surface than the original WebUI)
https://github.com/ldittmar81/webmatic

Sonos Addon:
https://github.com/jens-maus/hm-sonos

RaspberryMatic addon to (auto-)update Raspi system
https://github.com/j-a-n/raspberrymatic-addon-rmupdate

CCU VPN-AddOn: (use Chrome to translate the page)
https://hconnectweb.azurewebsites.net/Account/VpnAddOn

CCU Historian Addon:
https://github.com/mdzio/ccu-historian

Node Red Addon (RedMatic):
https://github.com/hobbyquaker/RedMatic

MQTT Addon (hm2mqtt):
https://github.com/hobbyquaker/hm2mqtt.js

CUxD-Highcharts Addon:
https://github.com/hobbyquaker/CUxD-Highcharts
Step by Step (use Chrome to translate the page)
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=20772&hilit=addon#p173487

Smartphone WLAN Presence Addon (e.g. to activate the camera or alarm when you off):
https://github.com/jollyjinx/homematic

E-Mail Addon
https://github.com/jens-maus/hm_email

Watchdog Addon (CCU Addon implementing a watchdog functionality to restart certain services if they are identified to have crashed...)
https://github.com/jens-maus/hm-watchdog

HM Tools for RaspberryMatic
https://github.com/fhetty/hm-tools

Service Message *allinclusive* Script (use Chrome to translate the page)
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=24618&hilit=addon

Expert mode Devconfig (use Chrome to translate the page)
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=26624

Print Programs Addon
https://github.com/litti/hm-print/releases

HM Script Parser Addon
https://github.com/litti/scriptparser

XML-API CCU Addon (A HomeMatic CCU Addon implementing a xml request functionality as an interface to all homematic devices available to a CCU device)
https://github.com/hobbyquaker/XML-API

And much more:
viewforum.php?f=36

!!! Important Duty Cycles Scripts !!! - (use Chrome to translate the page)
From the Forum:
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=35097#p335489

Detailed from technikkram: https://technikkram.net/2017/08/homemat ... n-tun-kann

Quick&Dirty from homematic-guru:
https://homematic-guru.de/quicktipp-hom ... e-anzeigen

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German Homematic Video Tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5myDgVQ ... h-jaVvyKeq

Step-by-Step in English: Send PUSH Message to your Phone for Telegram App:
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=34793&p=331564#p331564
Pushover App: (use Chrome to translate the page)
https://www.technikkram.net/2017/07/hom ... e-schicken
iOS Homematic App @Home (use Chrome to translate the page)
https://www.technikkram.net/2016/03/hom ... richtigung
iOS pocket control HM (use Chrome to translate the page)
https://penzler.de/phAnleitung/Anleitun ... ungen.html

Wake-on-LAN (for PC, NAS, ...)
1. Install CUxD Addon
2. Create a new Programm on the CCU2/RaspberryMatic with Code:
string stderr;
string stdout;
string wake;
wake = "/usr/local/addons/cuxd/extra/ether-wake -Your MAC-Adress";
system.Exec(wake, &stdout, &stderr);



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German Source: https://www.technikkram.net/2016/06/hom ... s-richtige
Zuletzt geändert von tomi_cc16 am 18.09.2018, 23:24, insgesamt 59-mal geändert.

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Re: Basics: Differences Homematic IP vs Homematic in English

Beitrag von Sergo » 04.02.2018, 10:50

that is excellent summary! Many thanks!
Reading...

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Re: Basics: Differences Homematic IP vs Homematic in English

Beitrag von tomi_cc16 » 04.02.2018, 17:35

Thank you - I hope it will help newbies & english speaking people

I also added some Important Duty Cycles Scripts for classic homematic

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Re: Basics: Differences Homematic IP vs Homematic in English

Beitrag von tomi_cc16 » 11.09.2018, 13:15

+++Updated with new CCU3 information+++

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Re: Basics: Differences Homematic IP vs Homematic in English

Beitrag von Sammy » 11.09.2018, 21:50

Attention, here are some things mixed up.

homematic IP does not automatically mean, that you have to use the Access Point with the cloud service. All HmIP components also work with the CCU2 and CCU3 (and often allow more settings and features with a CCU)!

All the differences listed above mean 1. HmIP used with cloud and HmIP-App or 2. HM (and HmIP !!!) used with a CCU2/3

Best Regards and thanks for the good summary,
Sammy
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Re: Basics: Differences Homematic IP vs Homematic in English

Beitrag von tomi_cc16 » 12.09.2018, 12:31

Thank you for the feedback - I updated it so it's more clear that HM and HMIP are different protocols.
CCU can speak both protocols (HM and HMIP) and Cloud Access Point only HMIP protocol.

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